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What if the question of UFO disclosure is about more than unexplained objects in our skies? What if the timing of disclosure, the evolution of technology, artificial intelligence, and humanity’s own changing worldview are all part of a much larger story?
In this episode of the Universal Disclosure Podcast, UFO Investigator Mike and Reverend Stu welcome William Stickevers, a professional forecaster who brings together geopolitical analysis, astrology, and what he describes as both left-brain and right-brain approaches to understanding the world.
The conversation explores an intriguing question: Are we entering a period in which the subject of extraterrestrial intelligence and UFO/UAP disclosure could become increasingly difficult for governments and institutions to control?
Looking at disclosure through a different lens
For decades, the UFO conversation has largely focused on sightings, government secrecy, military encounters, and the possibility of recovered technology. But the discussion with Stickevers takes a broader approach.
Rather than looking only at individual sightings or government announcements, the conversation examines the larger environment in which disclosure may be unfolding. That includes political developments, institutional power, technological disruption, artificial intelligence, and the psychological and spiritual implications of learning that humanity may not be alone.
Stickevers brings an astrological forecasting perspective to these questions, while Mike and Reverend Stu challenge, explore, and examine the implications from their own investigative and spiritual viewpoints.
The goal isn’t simply to ask whether disclosure will happen. It’s to consider what disclosure might mean, why it could be happening now, and whether humanity is prepared for the consequences.
The subjects explored in this conversation
What exactly is disclosure?
The conversation examines what people mean when they use the word “disclosure.” Is it the confirmation that unexplained objects exist? The acknowledgment of non-human intelligence? The release of information about advanced technology? Or something much larger involving the way humanity understands its place in the universe?
Could disclosure be coordinated?
At approximately the 21-minute mark, the discussion turns to the possibility of coordinated disclosure. The subject raises questions about who might control the information, what could be revealed, and whether different institutions could have different reasons for releasing information.
Artificial intelligence and the changing information landscape
One of the more unusual portions of the discussion involves artificial intelligence. The conversation explores whether AI could accelerate disclosure, how it might change the way information is analyzed, and what the implications could be for governments and society.
The discussion also touches on the idea of AI and psychic abilities, an unconventional subject that invites questions about the limits of current assumptions about intelligence and consciousness.
The economic and political consequences
Disclosure, if it were to involve confirmation of technologies or capabilities beyond what the public currently understands, could have consequences extending far beyond the UFO community.
The conversation considers possible economic impacts, advanced weapons, political power, and questions involving a potential one-world government or one-world AI.
Carl Jung, prophecy, and ontological shock
The discussion also moves into psychology and spirituality. Carl Jung, prophetic revelations, and the idea of “ontological shock” all become part of the conversation.
Ontological shock describes the profound disruption a person can experience when information challenges their fundamental understanding of reality. If humanity were to receive convincing confirmation of non-human intelligence, the consequences might not be limited to science or politics. They could reach into religion, philosophy, identity, and our understanding of existence itself.
Are we prepared for what disclosure could mean?
One of the central questions running through this episode is whether humanity is prepared for the implications of disclosure.
It is one thing to discuss UFOs and UAPs as distant objects, unexplained encounters, or government secrets. It is another to consider how confirmation of non-human intelligence could affect our institutions, belief systems, economies, and understanding of consciousness.
That is where this conversation takes a particularly interesting turn. Rather than treating disclosure as simply the end of a government cover-up, Mike, Reverend Stu, and Stickevers explore the possibility that it could represent a much broader turning point in human history.
As always, the different ideas raised in this discussion should be considered as perspectives and questions to examine, not as established proof of a particular prediction or explanation.
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The Disclosure Window: The Astrology of E.T. Disclosure in the Trump Era
William Stickevers joins UFO Investigator Mike and Reverend Stu for this wide-ranging discussion about UFO/UAP disclosure, astrology, geopolitics, artificial intelligence, consciousness, and the future of humanity.
Episode Chapters
Use the chapter timestamps to jump to the subjects that interest you most:
00:00 — Introduction
01:05 — Show start
03:45 — William joins the conversation
07:40 — Left-brain and right-brain utilization
11:01 — Informed decision making
12:28 — Carl Jung
14:40 — The Disclosure Window
21:02 — Coordinated disclosure?
24:21 — Disclosure of nefarious activities
25:47 — Advanced weapons
28:07 — William’s inspiration
29:55 — Presidential warning
32:56 — What is disclosure?
36:55 — The disclosure dam break
38:51 — AI shadow work
39:31 — AI bringing disclosure
43:07 — Economic impacts
48:39 — Attitudes toward disclosure
50:07 — One World Government?
52:45 — One World AI?
56:15 — Discernment
01:00:21 — AI’s psychic abilities
01:06:40 — Prophetic revelations
01:08:56 — Ontological shock
01:12:10 — Are we prepared?
01:14:46 — Jung’s breakdown
01:20:12 — Contactees on a mission
01:25:31 — Contacting William
01:29:21 — Debriefing
About the Universal Disclosure Podcast
The Universal Disclosure Podcast brings together UFO field investigation and spiritual inquiry to explore the UFO/UAP phenomenon from multiple perspectives.
Hosted by UFO Investigator Mike and Reverend Stu, the show examines government disclosure, unexplained encounters, non-human intelligence, consciousness, spirituality, and the questions these subjects raise about humanity and our place in the universe.
The objective is to look beyond the headlines, ask difficult questions, and encourage listeners to think critically about what disclosure could mean for all of us.
What if the UFO phenomenon reaches much further than unexplained objects in our skies? What if the conversation leads us into secret space programs, alleged non-human civilizations, the mysteries surrounding Saturn, and questions about humanity’s place in a much larger cosmic picture?
Some conversations in the UFO world stay close to the available evidence. Others venture into territory that is far more speculative, controversial, and difficult to verify. This episode of the Universal Disclosure Podcast deliberately steps into that territory—with curiosity, a willingness to ask questions, and an understanding that exploring an idea is not the same as accepting it as fact.
Joining UFO Investigator Mike and Reverend Stu is David Brandon, a Canadian commercial pilot, flight instructor, and author whose lifelong interest in UFOs began with an unusual experience when he was just 13 years old.
David’s journey eventually led him to write Rings of Saturn: Enemy Within, a science-fiction novel exploring the concept of Solar Warden and the secret space program narratives associated with alleged whistle-blower accounts.
The result is a wide-ranging conversation that moves from a childhood UFO sighting to some of the most unconventional theories circulating in the UFO and UAP community.
A Childhood Encounter That Started a Lifelong Journey
David begins by describing an experience from his teenage years in a small Canadian town. One winter evening, a neighbor reported seeing something unusual in a nearby field. David went out to investigate and encountered an object that he describes as dome-shaped, moving around in the field, and displaying reddish and white flashing lights.
He recalls that roughly ten people watched the object for about half an hour before it suddenly disappeared.
That experience stayed with him. His later career as a commercial pilot and flight instructor gave him another perspective on the skies—and opportunities to speak with other pilots who had reported seeing things they could not readily explain.
For Mike, who brings his own UFO field-investigation experience to the conversation, David’s aviation background provides an interesting starting point.
Solar Warden and the Secret Space Program
The discussion then takes a turn toward one of the more intriguing claims in the UFO community: Solar Warden.
Often described in alternative UFO narratives as a secret space program or an alleged space-based defense operation, Solar Warden raises a number of questions. What is it supposed to be? Who would operate it? What would its mission be? And what, if anything, supports the claims surrounding it?
Mike and Reverend Stu approach the subject with curiosity rather than assuming the story is true. The conversation also touches on alleged off-planet personnel, secret space program accounts, the so-called “20 and back” narrative, and the history of restricted access to places such as Area 51.
These are extraordinary claims, and the episode treats them as topics for discussion—not established facts. But they raise an interesting question: how do we distinguish genuine evidence from speculation, mythology, and stories that have taken on a life of their own?
Who—or What—Are the Reptilians?
Few subjects in modern UFO lore generate as much reaction as the alleged Reptilian beings, sometimes referred to as the Draco.
The conversation explores where these accounts fit into the broader UFO narrative, what people mean when they refer to the Draco, and how such beings are sometimes connected to theories about power, influence, and the hidden structure of human society.
Rather than treating these claims as settled conclusions, the discussion examines the ideas and the questions surrounding them.
It is precisely the kind of subject that can divide the UFO community—and one that benefits from the willingness to listen, question, and think critically.
Saturn, the Galactic Council, and the Nature of Non-Human Intelligence
The conversation moves even further outward with a discussion of Saturn, its mysterious place in various alternative and esoteric narratives, and the idea of a Galactic Council or federation of non-human civilizations.
What might such a council look like if it existed? Would these beings be physical entities? Could some aspects of the UFO phenomenon involve forms of intelligence or interaction that do not fit neatly into our conventional understanding of physical reality?
Mike and Reverend Stu also explore the possibility that the phenomenon may have both physical and non-physical dimensions.
This is where the discussion begins to touch on a larger theme that runs through Universal Disclosure: the possibility that understanding UFOs may require us to look beyond the objects themselves and consider consciousness, spirituality, and the nature of intelligence.
From Bob Lazar’s Sports Model to the Integratron
The conversation also makes room for some familiar names and fascinating points of reference.
Among the topics are Bob Lazar’s description of the so-called “Sports Model” craft, the challenge of communicating UFO disclosure to the public, and the Integratron in Southern California.
David and the hosts also touch on energy healing, the unusual subject of the Bucky Ball, the origins of David’s book, and the reactions he has received from others when discussing these subjects.
The conversation doesn’t attempt to force all of these ideas into one neat explanation. Instead, it follows the questions wherever they lead.
The Bigger Question: How Do We Approach the Unknown?
Perhaps one of the most interesting aspects of this episode is not any single theory, but the attitude the hosts bring to the discussion.
At the beginning, Mike explains that some of the subjects they explore may be ideas he doesn’t personally accept. That doesn’t mean they should automatically be ignored or dismissed. Reverend Stu brings his own perspective as a minister, and the two share a willingness to entertain questions that might otherwise be avoided.
That doesn’t mean abandoning discernment. It means recognizing that the search for understanding can require us to examine unfamiliar ideas without confusing curiosity with proof.
For anyone interested in the wider UFO phenomenon—from unexplained sightings and alleged secret programs to non-human intelligence and the spiritual dimensions of the mystery—this conversation offers plenty to consider.
The question isn’t whether every theory is true. The question is whether we’re willing to ask better questions, examine the possibilities, and remain open to what we may not yet understand.
Watch the full conversation with David Brandon below.
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Episode Chapters
00:00 Introduction
01:26 Show begins
07:23 David Brandon joins the conversation
07:51 Did David ever see a UFO?
11:01 Bruce Cathie and the Grid Point Atlas
12:08 What is Solar Warden?
17:34 Pentagon computer hack and alleged off-planet officers
19:35 The “20 and back” program: Was it real?
23:30 The secret space program
24:54 Area 51 and restrictions on politicians
26:47 Who are the Draco?
30:40 Who really runs the world?
33:05 What about Planet Saturn?
35:15 What is the Galactic Council?
37:54 Are humans becoming more loving than in the past?
39:27 Are the beings in the Federation physical?
42:05 The non-physical aspect of physical UFOs
44:20 What about Bob Lazar’s “Sports Model”?
48:05 How should UFO disclosure happen?
48:42 Energy healing and the UFO topic
57:16 The Integratron in Southern California
59:13 The Bucky Ball
01:01:25 The origins of David’s book
01:04:22 Public pushback about the subject
01:05:40 Advice for people new to the UFO topic
01:07:38 Debrief
About Universal Disclosure Podcast
One Phenomenon. Multiple Manifestations. A Deeper Mystery.
Universal Disclosure Podcast brings together UFO field investigation and spiritual inquiry to explore the UFO/UAP phenomenon from multiple perspectives. Hosted by UFO Investigator Mike and Reverend Stu, the show examines government disclosure, unexplained encounters, non-human intelligence, consciousness, spirituality, and the questions that challenge our understanding of reality.
We believe the conversation deserves an open mind, thoughtful questions, and a willingness to look beyond familiar explanations.
What happens when a UFO field investigator, an ordained Christian minister, and a Jewish podcast host sit down to explore one of humanity’s biggest unanswered questions?
Sometimes the most interesting conversations happen when people approach the same mystery from very different directions.
That’s exactly what happens when Universal Disclosure Podcast hosts Mike and Reverend Stu reverse roles and appear as guests on the Come Together Podcast with Ephraim Herschmann.
Instead of welcoming a guest into their own studio, Mike and Stu take the opportunity to share their perspectives, experiences, and questions with another host whose background brings an entirely different dimension to the conversation.
And the result is a discussion that reaches well beyond the familiar boundaries of UFO sightings and government disclosure.
Three Perspectives. One Extraordinary Conversation.
Universal Disclosure Podcast was built around an unusual pairing: Mike, a UFO field investigator with experience examining reports and encounters, and Reverend Stu, an ordained Christian minister who approaches the subject through the lens of spirituality, faith, and the human experience.
Ephraim Herschmann, host of the Come Together Podcast, brings yet another perspective to the table, including an interest in the Jewish outlook on UFOs, mystical experiences, and the relationship between spirituality and the unexplained.
What makes this conversation particularly interesting is the opportunity to examine the UFO phenomenon without limiting it to a single religious, scientific, or cultural framework.
Could ancient spiritual traditions offer perspectives worth considering when examining modern UFO encounters? What can personal experiences teach us about consciousness? And how might our existing belief systems shape the way we interpret something that challenges our understanding of reality?
These are not small questions—and they deserve more than easy answers.
Beyond Government Disclosure: The Human Experience
The UFO conversation has traditionally focused on sightings, physical objects, military encounters, and the possibility of advanced technology. But Mike and Stu have increasingly explored another dimension: what the phenomenon may mean for the people who experience it and for humanity as a whole.
In this discussion, the conversation touches on mystical experiences, the flow state, and the possibility that human consciousness may be more complicated than our conventional explanations suggest.
The discussion also considers why people should not automatically be afraid of the subject. If the phenomenon ultimately challenges our understanding of who we are and our place in the universe, perhaps the first step is learning to approach it with curiosity rather than fear.
Mike’s MUFON Experience and the Search for Answers
Mike brings his UFO investigation experience into the conversation, offering a perspective grounded in the examination of reported encounters and the ongoing search for answers.
The discussion considers how people approach the subject, what motivates individuals to seek out unusual experiences, and how the next generation may engage with UFO and UAP questions.
There is also a fascinating discussion about technology and alleged warnings associated with Grey beings. These claims invite a broader question: if humanity is encountering forms of intelligence beyond our own, what might those interactions mean for our technological development and our understanding of ourselves?
As always, extraordinary claims deserve careful examination. But asking the questions is part of the process.
Faith, Mysticism, and the Nature of Consciousness
One of the most distinctive aspects of this appearance is the opportunity to explore the intersection of religious thought and the UFO phenomenon.
The discussion considers mystical experiences and the possibility that different spiritual traditions may have more to contribute to the UFO conversation than is often recognized.
The conversation also touches on the theory of relativity, psychedelics, and generational cellular memory—subjects that open up questions about perception, inherited experience, consciousness, and the relationship between the physical and non-physical worlds.
These topics don’t necessarily lead to one common explanation. But they do illustrate why the UFO phenomenon may be worth examining from multiple disciplines and perspectives.
Disclosure Day and the Bigger Picture
Government disclosure remains an important part of the conversation, but what would disclosure actually mean?
Would confirmation of non-human intelligence simply answer the question of whether we are alone? Or would it force us to reconsider our understanding of history, religion, science, consciousness, and the nature of existence?
The discussion also considers the importance of maintaining a positive outlook as these subjects become more widely discussed.
Perhaps the most important question is not simply what governments know, or what evidence might eventually emerge. It is how individuals and societies will respond if our understanding of reality changes in a fundamental way.
Why Conversations Like This Matter
The value of bringing together people with different backgrounds is that they can challenge assumptions that might otherwise go unquestioned.
Mike approaches the subject through investigation and firsthand engagement with the UFO community. Reverend Stu brings a spiritual and theological perspective. Ephraim adds another cultural and religious lens through which to examine the mystery.
They don’t need to agree on every interpretation for the conversation to be worthwhile.
In fact, the differences are part of what makes it interesting.
At Universal Disclosure Podcast, we believe the UFO/UAP subject deserves an open-minded examination that includes physical evidence, human experiences, non-human intelligence, consciousness, spirituality, and the questions that connect them.
This guest appearance is another opportunity to do exactly that.
One Phenomenon. Multiple Manifestations. A Deeper Mystery.
Watch Mike and Reverend Stu join Ephraim Herschmann on the Come Together Podcast.
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About Universal Disclosure Podcast
Universal Disclosure Podcast brings together UFO field investigation and spiritual inquiry to explore the UFO/UAP phenomenon from multiple perspectives.
Hosted by UFO Investigator Mike and Reverend Stu, the show examines government disclosure, unexplained encounters, non-human intelligence, consciousness, spirituality, and the questions these subjects raise about humanity and our place in the universe.
We believe the conversation deserves an open mind, thoughtful questions, and a willingness to look beyond familiar explanations.
Don’t have time to read through 184 pages of just one single file, but still want to know what has been released? Below is a breakdown provided by Claude AI of the first file as it pertains to the first release of the PURSUE (Presidential Unsealing and Reporting System for UAP Encounters) database. Award-winning and expert UFO Investigator from UDP (Universal Disclosure Podcast) Mike, has also physically laid eyes on this file and confirms this is an accurate representation and summary of the information contained herein.
For some, it will be nothing new, more of the same and unimpressive . For others, they will realize how significate this actually is! A huge step forward in the overall movement of UFO / UAP disclosure that serves two functions:
It further propels this conversation to all citizens of Planet Earth and provides even more legitimacy to speak with your friends and family about UFOs and UAPs.
It likely serves as a social experiment with the intelligence community gauging the public reaction to this informational dump. They will do this by monitoring news stations, media outlets, blogs, podcasts, social media etc.
Mike also said to note: this release is perfectly timed and fits into the timeline discussed in the recent episode where Mike and Reverend Stu discuss the pattern to the UFO / UAP disclosure release. You can find that episodehere.
Document Overview
This is FBI Headquarters Case File 62-83894, Section 10 — a 184-page declassified FBI file covering the bureau’s handling of public UFO/Flying Saucer correspondence and intelligence, spanning roughly 1966 to 1977. It was released under FOIA and declassified per the FBI Automatic Declassification Guide (2007). The file was also recently uploaded to the Department of War’s PURSUE database.
Document Types & Structure
The file is a mixture of physical record types bundled into a single case file:
Citizen letters addressed to J. Edgar Hoover or the FBI Director
FBI response letters (form and individualized)
Internal FBI routing slips with timestamps and division initials
Interagency correspondence (FBI ↔ Air Force, FBI ↔ NASA)
Anonymous informant reports
Photographs and hand-drawn sketches of alleged UFO sightings
Major Themes
1. The FBI’s Bureaucratic Deflection Strategy
The single most consistent pattern in the document is the FBI’s boilerplate response to all UFO inquiries: that the Bureau is “strictly an investigative agency” that “neither makes evaluations nor draws conclusions as to the character or integrity of any organization, publication or individual.” Director Hoover personally signed many of these form letters. The FBI consistently directed UFO matters to the Air Force’s Project Blue Book, effectively disclaiming jurisdiction.
2. Public Belief in Extraterrestrial Life & Citizen Anxiety
Dozens of ordinary Americans wrote to Hoover — housewives, veterans, businesspeople — describing genuine alarm about UFOs. Recurring anxieties included: fear that the government was hiding the truth, suspicion that flying saucers represented a Soviet or Communist threat, concern about national security vulnerabilities, and in some cases, personal claims of having witnessed or been contacted by extraterrestrials.
3. Cold War / Communist Suspicion Linked to UFO Groups
Several citizens wrote to express concern that UFO organizations like AFSCA (Amalgamated Flying Saucer Clubs of America) and NICAP might be Communist-backed, since they questioned the U.S. government’s transparency. One letter from a New Hampshire woman specifically worried that subscribing to AFSCA’s newsletter could link her to Communist sympathizers. The FBI cross-referenced these organizations in its internal records.
4. The UFO Civilian Organization Ecosystem (1960s)
The document contains original copies of publications and convention materials from several civilian UFO groups, including:
AFSCA (Los Angeles) — their magazine Flying Saucers International and flyers for their 3rd National Flying Saucer Convention in Reno, Nevada (July 1966)
IGAP (International Get Acquainted Program) — a contactee-oriented group
NICAP (National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena)
Space Research Inc.
These groups promoted “contactee” speakers who claimed personal encounters with beings from other planets.
5. The Air Force–FBI–NASA Triangulation
A recurring pattern is the interplay between these three agencies. The Air Force’s Project Blue Book was the official investigative body, but it was widely accused by UFO advocates of conducting a “whitewash.” The file documents the Air Force commissioning a University of Colorado study (the Condon Committee) and then announcing the termination of Project Blue Book. Letters from Air Force officers to the FBI (and vice versa) show an inter-agency effort to deflect public inquiries without appearing to dismiss them.
6. Witness Testimony and Sighting Reports
Several pages are direct witness accounts or FBI summaries of them, with notable examples including:
An anonymous female informant in Dallas, Texas (1967) who claimed knowledge of “beings from outer space” destroying a moon explorer vehicle and shooting down a Russian cosmonaut — and who feared for her life if her identity was revealed
A German/European UFO sighting network report with firsthand accounts of “cigarette-shaped” objects over Frankfurt
A report of two policemen in Kent, England observing an oval object at 1,000 feet
Sketches and photographic contact sheets of alleged UFO shapes submitted to the FBI
7. Fear, Secrecy, and Government Mistrust
Multiple letter-writers expressed distrust of the government’s UFO narrative. One correspondent argued that the “Military-Industrial complex” had crushed journalistic freedom on the topic. Another (page 130) warned that government ridicule of UFO witnesses had left the U.S. radar defenses compromised — and that the country would “pay with 60,000,000 American lives.” Letters were CC’d to President Nixon, Senators, and the Secretary of Defense, reflecting how seriously some citizens took this.
8. The Contactee / New Age UFO Culture
The publications in the file reflect a vibrant mid-1960s subculture blending UFO belief with New Age spirituality — ideas about benevolent space brothers, Hollow Earth theory, “mental telepathy” with aliens, and the belief that humanity was being guided toward cosmic enlightenment. Speakers at the 1966 AFSCA convention included George Adamski disciples, “contactees,” and speakers on topics like the language of the planet Korendor.
9. Chronological Arc: Growing Public Pressure
The file spans roughly a decade (1966–1977), and the arc shows escalating public pressure for disclosure. Early letters are more deferential; later ones (post-1969, after Project Blue Book’s termination) are more confrontational, demanding to know why the Air Force shut down its investigation. The final letter in the file (January 1977) is from the FBI’s External Affairs Division acknowledging the Air Force UFO Fact Sheet and the “termination of your project” — a fitting close to the file’s decade-long arc.
Key Patterns
Pattern
Description
Boilerplate deflection
Nearly every FBI reply is the same form letter disclaiming authority
Routing stamps
Every document has FBI division routing initials (Tolson, DeLoach, Sullivan, Wick, etc.), showing high-level awareness
Communist anxiety
Cold War anxieties consistently color how citizens interpret UFO groups
Citizen-to-Hoover pipeline
The public viewed Hoover as the ultimate authority on secret government knowledge
Physical evidence submissions
Citizens regularly enclosed photos, magazine clippings, and sketches
Interagency deflection loop
FBI → Air Force → Colorado Study → termination, with no definitive answers given
In short, this is a remarkable window into how the U.S. government managed public UFO anxiety during the Cold War — primarily through bureaucratic deflection, interagency buck-passing, and careful record-keeping of citizen beliefs that were sometimes entangled with national security concerns.
No, is the short answer. We respectfully disagree with the Vice President of the United States of America, Mr. J. D. Vance, about his recent statement that he believes the UFOs / UAP (and presumably the pilots / occupants thereof) are Demons.
While this theory can make sense from a legalistic religiosity perspective, it also serves to strike fear in the hearts of the God-Fearing humans that walk planet Earth. But at the end of the day, the truth is: there is no actual evidence, aside sporadic anecdotal accounts, to back this belief system.
We will recognize there a handful of reports of people “warding of” an “alien abduction” by calling on the name of Jesus Christ, there are also reports of the same, wherein this protocol did not work. Thus, spreading a fear-based narrative like this does not help anything. But maybe that was the point? We can’t say what the motivations of Vice President J. D. Vance are or were when he made that comment.
The theories abound if these beings are of a different dimension, different time, or native to Earth and farther along the evolutionary process than us mere mortal humans, all of which postulations lend to the Official US Government statement that they are not “extraterrestrial”, to be a true statement, albeit a half-truth. But that in and of itself does not then mean they are Demons.
We find it interesting how we have been talking about this exact topic almost exclusively for years now, and the public facing narrative that is being pushed out on the larger channels (outside of the mainstream legacy channels) has now shifted to the thing we discuss, BUT, it has a fear-based narrative designed to control and keep you in your place. – That is interesting, telling and predictable.
Let us also not forget the physical aspect of all this as well. There are many people, some rather prominent, fighting Washington D.C., to release information about UFO / UAP hardware (aka craft, space ships etc.) and physical bodies (aka “biologics”) that are related to the UAP topic (commonly referred to as UFOs and Aliens). To just write this all off as Demons, is a lazy and immature approach to the most fascinating topic humans will ever discuss.
We would welcome a conversation with J. D. Vance about this topic, but that will likely not happen, since we are authentically unscripted and do not edit our conversations. That could be a very dangerous thing for a public figure who relies upon “optics”, editing and sound bites. Nonetheless, the invitation is there and shall remain open in perpetuity.
***The below information was generated by AI, at the prompt of Jason Wade, of Ninja AI, in preparation for our episode that airs on 3/20/2026. The information is provided in the spirit of Good Faith and is believed to be accurate, but we have not taken the time to confirm all the information. Use this information at your own risk. Additionally, this is not an exhaustive list of every single cattle mutilation case to ever be reported.
Cattle Mutilations: The Deep Dive
Comprehensive Briefing for Podcast Preparation—March2026
What You Are Actually Dealing With
Cattle mutilation is the killing and mutilation of livestock — primarily cattle, but also horses, sheep, and other animals — under circumstances that ranchers, investigators, and sometimes forensic scientists have found difficult to explain through conventional means. The reported characteristics are remarkably consistent across decades and geography: animals found dead with specific soft-tissue organs removed (tongue, eyes, ears, genitals, rectum, sometimes lips and jaw flesh), wounds that appear clean or “surgical” rather than torn, an absence of visible blood at or near the carcass, and a notable absence of scavenger activity on the remains. In many cases, no tracks are found near the body — not even the animal’s own tracks in the final approach to where it died.
Reports began in earnest in 1967 and peaked in waves through the 1970s and into the 1980s. They have never fully stopped. Cases have been reported in every decade since, with significant clusters in the 1990s, 2000s, and 2010s, and continuing into the present. The phenomenon is not American-only: an estimated 3,500 cases have been reported in South America since 2002 alone, with clusters in Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay.1 Cases have also been reported in Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom.
The total number of cases is genuinely unknown. Investigators have long noted that ranchers frequently do not report mutilations to authorities — either because they expect no useful response, because they fear being ridiculed, or because they have accepted the losses as unexplained and moved on. Some investigators estimate that reported cases represent no more than one in ten actual incidents.1
The Origin Story: Snippy the Horse, 1967
The modern cattle mutilation phenomenon traces its public origin to a single case in Alamosa, Colorado, on September 9, 1967. A three-year-old Appaloosa horse named Lady — misidentified in early press coverage as “Snippy,” the name of her sire — was found dead by rancher Harry King on the family property in the San Luis Valley.
The horse’s head and neck had been completely skinned and defleshed, down to bare bone. The cuts appeared precise to the family. There was no blood at the scene, and a strong medicinal odor hung in the air. In a 100-foot radius around the carcass, there were
no tracks — not even the horse’s own — and several small holes had been “punched” into the ground. Two bushes in the area were completely flattened.2
The story was picked up by the Pueblo Chieftain and then distributed nationally. It was the first livestock death case to feature explicit speculation about extraterrestrial beings and UFOs in mainstream press coverage.2 Within days, local superior court judge Charles Bennett reported witnessing three orange rings flying in a triangular formation at incredible speed. Two sheriff’s deputies reported being followed by a floating orange globe.3
A subsequent investigation by the Condon Committee — the Air Force-funded scientific panel reviewing UFO reports at the University of Colorado — concluded there was “no evidence to support the assertion that the horse’s death was associated in any way to abnormal causes.”2 The county sheriff suggested lightning. Later reporting revealed that two students from Alamosa State College had confessed to sneaking out and shooting the horse several weeks after the case became public — though this confession came after the national mythology had already been established.2
The Snippy case established the template that would define the phenomenon for the next fifty years: an ambiguous death, a patchy investigation, a media cycle that amplified the mystery, and a community ready to fill the vacuum with extraordinary explanations.
The 1970s Wave: Scale, Geography, and the Panic
By 1973, isolated cases had become waves. The geography of the outbreak traced the cattle-ranching heartland of the American West and Midwest: Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa, South Dakota, Minnesota, Montana, Oklahoma, and Wyoming. By 1975, the Colorado Associated Press had voted the mutilations the number-one story in the state.4 A 1979 FBI report cited estimates of 8,000 mutilations in Colorado alone, causing approximately $1 million in damages.5
The 1973 Kansas wave is the first well-documented cluster. Beginning in June 1973, Cloud County Sheriff Fred Modlin began receiving reports of butchered cattle — right ears removed, sex organs excised, no predator activity. By December 13, Kansas law enforcement had investigated 40 mutilations across seven counties, most occurring on land near U.S. Highway 81.6 State Senator Ross Doyen reported a mutilation on his own ranch on December 20. The Kansas Brand Commissioner’s office concluded most deaths were natural causes or predation; local law enforcement vocally disagreed.6
The 1974 Nebraska wave added a new and deeply unsettling element: unidentified helicopters. On August 20, 1974, the Lincoln Journal Star reported that residents had seen unidentified helicopters shining spotlights into fields where mutilated cows were later found the following morning.7 Knox County Sheriff Herbert Thompson reported that helicopter sightings had become a nightly occurrence, with both the FAA and the National
Guard claiming no knowledge of any helicopter activity in the area.7 Armed civilian patrols formed. The Nebraska National Guard ordered its helicopter pilots to fly at higher-than-normal altitude to avoid fire from ranchers. The Bureau of Land Management temporarily grounded all helicopters in eastern Colorado.4
The helicopter sightings were reported as quiet — witnesses described a sound “like a lawn mower” rather than the heavy chop of a conventional helicopter. New Mexico State Police, tribal police, and game wardens attempted to pursue one such aircraft near Dulce, New Mexico. When officers radioed their positions, the craft appeared to move in response.
Suspecting the operators were monitoring police frequencies, law enforcement switched to speaking only in Apache. The strategy worked: they were able to surround the craft, and one officer reported it passing directly overhead with the distinctive quiet sound.7
In 1976, two Cache County, Utah police officers reportedly confronted several men in an unmarked U.S. Army helicopter at a small community airport. According to a 2002 report, cattle mutilations in the region ceased for approximately five years after this encounter.8
By mid-decade, the panic had a contagious, self-reinforcing quality. Newsweek ran the first national coverage in September 1974. The New York Times published a story examining mutilations across 11 states in October 1975.4 Senator Floyd Haskell of Colorado wrote to the FBI pleading for federal investigation, claiming 130 mutilations in Colorado alone and reports across nine states. The FBI declined, arguing no evidence of interstate crime and thus no federal jurisdiction.9
The Characteristics: What the Reports Actually Say
Across thousands of cases spanning five decades and multiple continents, the reported characteristics are strikingly consistent. This consistency is itself one of the most puzzling features of the phenomenon — whether it reflects a real pattern in the events or a real pattern in how humans perceive and report ambiguous animal deaths is one of the central questions.
The organs removed. The most commonly reported missing parts are the tongue, eyes, ears, genitals (both male and female), rectum and anus, and sometimes the lips, jaw flesh, and lymph nodes. These are all soft-tissue organs located at or near body orifices — areas where skin is thinnest and where scavengers and insects naturally concentrate their feeding. This overlap is either the most important clue or the most important red herring, depending on which explanation you find compelling.
The “surgical” cuts. Witnesses and investigators consistently describe the wounds as clean, precise, and non-ragged. Some have used the term “laser-like.” However, the forensic record on this point is genuinely contested. FBI investigator Kenneth Rommel, examining cases up close and in person, reported seeing tooth marks and jagged edges that looked
“surgical” only in photographs or from a distance. He directly confronted one rancher who had described “surgical precision” and asked if the damage really looked that way up close; the rancher admitted it appeared “a bit rough” and acknowledged he had gotten the term from newspaper coverage.10
The absence of blood. This is perhaps the most consistently reported and most emotionally striking feature. Ranchers describe finding large animals with no blood at the wound sites and no pooling in the surrounding area. The conventional explanation is that blood pools and coagulates in the lowest points of the body after death, and that blood at wound sites is consumed by insects or reduced by solar desiccation within hours. The unconventional explanation is that the blood was actively removed — and in some cases, laboratory analysis found anti-coagulants in tissue samples from mutilated animals, suggesting the blood may have been prevented from clotting.5
The absence of scavengers. Multiple witnesses across multiple decades report that buzzards, coyotes, and other scavengers avoided the carcasses of mutilated animals for days or weeks after death. In the 2019 Oregon cases, the ranch vice president noted that the bulls’ red coats were still shiny and the animals showed no signs of scavenger activity, despite being in open country where predators were common.11 Biochemist Colm Kelleher has noted that mutilated carcasses were found to have traces of formaldehyde — a preservative that would both explain the scavenger avoidance and be consistent with a deliberate sampling protocol.12
The absence of tracks. In the Snippy case, the horse’s own tracks disappeared within 100 feet of the body. Similar reports have come from cases in New Mexico, Oregon, and elsewhere. In the 2019 Oregon cases, ranch staff drove concentric circles around the carcasses and found no tracks — in country where, as one rancher noted, “everything you do leaves tracks.”11
The age profile. Investigator Howard Burgess found that nearly 90 percent of mutilated cattle are between four and five years old — prime breeding age, when animals are at peak value and health.1 This age concentration is difficult to explain through random predation or disease, which would be expected to take a broader cross-section of the herd.
The chemical anomalies. In the 1978 Dulce, New Mexico case investigated by Officer Gabe Valdez and documented by the FBI, a bull’s liver was found to be completely devoid of copper and to contain four times the normal level of zinc, potassium, and phosphorus.
Blood samples were light pink in color and did not clot after several days. The hide was unusually brittle for a fresh death. None of the laboratories — including Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory — were able to explain these anomalies or reach firm conclusions about cause of death.5 Anti-coagulants were later confirmed in samples from other animals mutilated in the same region.5
The pre-selection evidence. In July 1976, New Mexico State Police Officer Gabe Valdez and retired Sandia National Laboratories scientist Howard Burgess screened the Gomez ranch herd with ultraviolet light, suspecting that animals might be “marked” in a way detectable from the air at night. They found five animals had been marked with a chemical that fluoresced under UV light.13 In 1981, intact radar chaff was found near a mutilated cow on the same ranch.13 Both findings suggest that some animals were deliberately identified and tracked before their deaths.
The Official Investigations
The ATF Investigation (1975)
In January 1975, the Minnesota field office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms launched an investigation headed by Agent Donald Flickinger, tasked with investigating possible cult involvement. Flickinger recorded “unusual” incidents and circumstantial evidence but found insufficient evidence for the ATF to take further action. He arranged for two prison informants to be transferred to less-secure facilities in exchange for information; both ultimately escaped. The investigation was closed by Spring 1975.4
The Colorado Bureau of Investigation (1975‒1976)
The CBI opened an investigation in May 1975 under Carl Whiteside. Nineteen animals underwent necropsies at Colorado State University with no conclusive results. A $40,000 reward was offered. By December 1975, the CBI had investigated 203 reports. The investigation closed when Colorado reports dwindled in Summer 1976.5
The New Mexico State Police Investigation (1976‒1981)
This is the most detailed and most important official investigation. Officer Gabe Valdez began investigating in June 1976 and became the state’s primary investigator, working 32 cases over three years. Valdez solicited assistance from retired Sandia National Laboratories scientist Howard Burgess and collaborated with the FBI. His investigation produced the most significant physical evidence in the entire history of the phenomenon: the fluorescent chemical marking of pre-selected animals, the discovery of anti-coagulants and sedatives in tissue samples, the radar chaff near a mutilation site, and the consistent reports of quiet, unmarked helicopters operating at night.
Valdez’s conclusion, as reported to investigator Christopher O’Brien, was unambiguous:
sophisticated, and theyhavealot of resources. They’re well organized.”7
His son Greg Valdez, who published a book based on his father’s case files in 2014, reported that his father never believed aliens were involved: “People want to come and find aliens, but there is no proof of aliens and my father never believed there was alien activity. He
pointed toward the government.”14
Operation Animal Mutilation: The Rommel Report (1979‒1980) Despite repeated requests from Senator Haskell, the FBI declined to investigate, citing lack of federal jurisdiction. In lieu of a federal investigation, a federally funded inquiry was
conducted under the direction of the New Mexico District Attorney’s office, headed by recently retired FBI agent Kenneth Rommel. The investigation was funded by a $44,170 grant from the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration and ran from May 1979 to June 1980.
Rommel’s 297-page final report concluded that the mutilations were predominantly the result of natural predation, but acknowledged that some cases contained anomalies that could not be fully accounted for by conventional wisdom. The FBI was unable to identify any individuals responsible.9
The report was immediately controversial. Valdez told investigator O’Brien that “during the six to eight months when Rommel was actively investigating the mutilations in New Mexico, the state became suddenly quiet with very few (if any) true mutilations being reported.” Valdez believed the mutilators had simply moved their operations elsewhere while the investigation was active.9 Canadian RCMP investigator Corporal Lyn Lauber, who was simultaneously investigating numerous cases in western Canada, stated: “I find it difficult
The New Yorker’s 2023 investigation noted that Rommel’s own field notes reveal his exasperation with witnesses who described “surgical precision” — a term they had absorbed from newspaper coverage rather than from direct observation. When he examined carcasses in person, he saw tooth marks and normal decomposition. The gap between what witnesses described and what he found in the field was, in his view, a media-driven narrative that had shaped perception.10
The FBI’s FOIA Files
The FBI’s cattle mutilation files are publicly available through the FBI Vault under the Freedom of Information Act. They document the Bureau’s internal deliberations about jurisdiction, correspondence with state investigators, and the Rommel investigation. The files confirm that the FBI received hundreds of reports from across the country, that it consistently declined to open a full federal investigation on jurisdictional grounds, and that its official position was that the mutilations were attributable to natural predation. The files
also document the Bureau’s awareness of the helicopter sightings and the chemical anomalies found in some carcasses.15
The Five Competing Explanations
The cattle mutilation phenomenon is genuinely unusual in that it has attracted serious competing explanations from multiple directions — not just the alien hypothesis and the skeptical dismissal, but several intermediate theories that take the physical evidence seriously while proposing human or terrestrial causes.
Explanation 1: Natural Predation and Decomposition
This is the official position of every government investigation that has been conducted. The argument is that the reported characteristics of mutilations — missing soft tissue, apparent “surgical” cuts, absence of blood at wound sites — are all consistent with known natural processes.
The case for this explanation is genuinely strong for the majority of reported cases. Blowflies and maggots concentrate on the thinnest skin and natural body orifices, producing damage that can look precise in photographs. Postmortem bloating causes the skin to stretch and split in linear tears that can resemble incisions. Blood pools in the lowest points of the body and is consumed by insects or reduced by solar desiccation within hours. The Washington County (Arkansas) Sheriff’s Office conducted a controlled experiment in which a recently deceased cow was left in a field and observed for 48 hours; postmortem bloating produced incision-like tears in the skin, and blowfly activity matched the soft-tissue damage reported in mutilation cases.1
The case against this explanation as a complete account is that it does not address the chemical anomalies (anti-coagulants, sedatives, mineral imbalances), the fluorescent chemical marking of pre-selected animals, the radar chaff, the consistent helicopter sightings, the age concentration of victims, or the scavenger avoidance. These elements are not explained by natural decomposition.
Explanation 2: Human Perpetrators — Cult Activity
The cult hypothesis was the dominant non-alien explanation in the 1970s, fueled by the broader Satanic Panic of the era and by the concurrent rise of groups like the People’s Temple. The argument was that organized groups were conducting ritual animal sacrifice, harvesting blood and organs for ceremonial purposes.
There were some circumstantial reports supporting this hypothesis: in September 1975, a forestry service employee in Blaine County, Idaho, reported seeing a group of people in black hooded robes near a mutilation site. On October 9, 1975, a motorist on U.S. Highway
95 in northern Idaho reported that approximately 15 masked individuals formed a roadblock with linked arms, forcing him to turn around; several cattle were found mutilated in the area the following day.1
However, neither the FBI nor the ATF was able to find sufficient evidence of cult involvement to substantiate the hypothesis. In most cases where cult activity was alleged, the claims were traced back to fabrication — in one case by a convict seeking favorable terms on his sentence, in another by high school students who had circulated rumors as a joke.1
Explanation 3: Covert Government Biological Monitoring
This is the most intellectually serious of the non-alien explanations, and it is the one that the most credible investigators — including Gabe Valdez himself — found most compelling.
The hypothesis was developed most systematically by biochemist Colm Kelleher, who investigated several purported mutilations firsthand. Kelleher argued that the mutilations are most likely a clandestine U.S. government effort to track the spread of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE, or “mad cow disease”) and related prion diseases such as scrapie.12 His key observation was the “uncanny resemblance between the pattern of organ removals that were taking place in cattle mutilations and standard wildlife sampling techniques for monitoring the spread of infectious agents in the wild.”12
The organs most commonly removed in mutilations — tongue, lymph nodes, genitals, rectum — are precisely the organs that would be sampled in a surveillance program for prion diseases. Prions concentrate in neural and lymphatic tissue; the rectum and genitals are sites where prions can be detected in infected animals. A covert sampling program would need to operate at night, using helicopters for access to remote rangelands, sedating animals before sampling, and applying formaldehyde to carcasses to prevent consumption by scavengers (which would destroy the evidence of sampling). Mutilated carcasses were found to have traces of sedatives and formaldehyde, and their carcasses were avoided by scavengers — both consistent with this hypothesis.12
The historical precedent for this kind of covert government biological monitoring is not hypothetical. In March 1968, 6,000 sheep died near Utah’s Dugway Proving Ground, a U.S. Army facility for testing chemical and biological weapons. The Army denied responsibility until 1998, when a reporter for the Salt Lake Tribune uncovered a declassified internal report admitting that there was “incontrovertible” evidence that a nerve agent had caused the deaths.10 If the government was capable of conducting secret biological weapons tests that killed 6,000 sheep and covering it up for thirty years, covert disease surveillance on cattle is not an extraordinary hypothesis.
Greg Valdez, working from his father’s case files, reached a different but related conclusion: that the mutilations near Dulce, New Mexico were a government testing program examining
the after-effects of radiation from Project Gasbuggy — a 1967 underground nuclear detonation carried out by the Atomic Energy Commission just 21 miles southwest of Dulce. “They were testing the cattle to avoid panicking the public,” he concluded.14
Explanation 4: Secret Military Technology Testing
A related hypothesis holds that the mutilations were connected to classified military technology programs — specifically, the testing of directed-energy weapons or biological weapons intended for use in Vietnam. Journalist Dane Edwards of the Brush Banner, Colorado, developed this theory in 1975 and wrote to Senator Haskell accusing government agents of threatening him into silence. Shortly after giving an interview about his theory, Edwards was fired from the Gazette and disappeared. He reemerged in the 1990s under a new name, having founded an English-language instruction program in Mexico.1
The stealth helicopter connection is the most concrete version of this hypothesis. It was revealed decades later that stealth helicopters had been secretly developed and deployed in the early 1970s — the same period when witnesses were reporting quiet, unmarked aircraft near mutilation sites. The “quiet lawn mower” sound described by New Mexico law enforcement officers who pursued one such aircraft is consistent with early stealth rotorcraft technology.1
Explanation 5: Non-Human Intelligence
The alien hypothesis — that extraterrestrial beings are conducting biological sampling of Earth’s livestock for purposes unknown — is the explanation most associated with the phenomenon in popular culture, and the one that has been most actively promoted by investigators like Linda Moulton Howe.
Howe, a Stanford-educated journalist and Emmy Award winner, produced the 1980 documentary A Strange Harvest and the 1989 book An Alien Harvest, concluding after reviewing more than 1,000 cases that extraterrestrial involvement was the most likely explanation. Her work was based in part on information provided by a source identified as “Rick Doty” — later revealed to be Richard Doty, an Air Force Office of Special Investigations agent who was simultaneously running a documented disinformation campaign against UFO researcher Paul Bennewitz.16
The Bennewitz affair is one of the most disturbing chapters in the entire history of the UAP/cattle mutilation nexus. Paul Bennewitz was a physicist and electronics manufacturer in Albuquerque who, in the late 1970s, began monitoring what he believed were alien signals near Kirtland Air Force Base. He attended the April 1979 public meeting on cattle mutilations and became convinced the mutilations were alien in origin. Air Force agents — including Richard Doty and UFO author William Moore — subsequently fed Bennewitz a stream of fabricated documents and false information about alien bases, underground
facilities, and cattle mutilations as part of what Moore later publicly admitted was a deliberate campaign to discredit Bennewitz and prevent him from publicizing what he had actually observed near Kirtland. By August 1988, Bennewitz was accusing his wife of being controlled by extraterrestrials and had barricaded himself in his home with sandbags before being admitted to a psychiatric facility.16
Moore admitted on July 1, 1989, at a MUFON conference, that he had deliberately pushed Bennewitz toward a mental breakdown by feeding him false information. This admission was later corroborated by a declassified CIA document.16 The implication for the cattle mutilation story is significant: the most prominent early advocate of the alien hypothesis was being actively fed disinformation by government agents, and the most prominent journalist to popularize that hypothesis was working from sources who were running a documented disinformation program.
The Disinformation Layer: The Most Disturbing Part
The Bennewitz affair is not an isolated incident. The 2013 documentary Mirage Men — based on journalist Mark Pilkington’s 2010 book of the same name — argues that the U.S. military has deliberately cultivated and amplified UFO and cattle mutilation folklore as a cover for classified military programs. The argument is not that the government invented the phenomenon, but that it actively encouraged the alien interpretation to deflect attention from classified aerospace and weapons programs.17
This creates a genuinely vertiginous epistemological situation. The most compelling evidence for alien involvement in cattle mutilations came from sources who were running documented disinformation campaigns. The most credible investigators — Gabe Valdez, Colm Kelleher — pointed toward human government activity. The official investigations concluded natural causes while acknowledging unexplained anomalies. And the phenomenon has continued for nearly sixty years without resolution.
The honest intellectual position is that the disinformation layer makes it impossible to cleanly separate genuine anomalies from manufactured ones. Some of what was reported as evidence for alien activity may have been planted. Some of what was dismissed as natural predation may have been genuine anomalies. The signal-to-noise ratio has been deliberately degraded by parties with an interest in maintaining confusion.
Recent Cases: The Phenomenon Has Not Stopped
2019, Harney County, Oregon. Five purebred Hereford bulls were found dead on Silvies Valley Ranch in remote eastern Oregon. Each was bloodless, with tongue and genitals surgically removed. No tracks were found near the carcasses. No buzzards, coyotes, or
other scavengers approached the remains. The ranch offered a $25,000 reward. The Harney County Sheriff’s Office investigated with FBI assistance; the FBI would neither confirm nor deny involvement. No perpetrator was identified. The cases were later featured in a 2024 episode of Netflix’s UnsolvedMysteries.11
2023, Madison County, Texas. Six cows were found dead across three Texas counties along a highway, tongues and cheek flesh precisely excised, no blood at the scene. The Madison County Sheriff’s Office published a Facebook post that received 17,000 shares and went international within a week. One autopsy returned a finding of pneumonia as cause of death for one animal; the remaining cases were not conclusively resolved. The Animal Legal Defense Fund offered a $5,000 reward for information.18
2025, Carbon County, Montana. Investigators sought information about a cattle mutilation in August 2025, with reproductive organs removed and one piece found nearby with no tracks or blood at the scene.19 The Bozeman Daily Chronicle published a retrospective in September 2025 noting that cattle mutilation documentation filed by the FBI showed cases occurring contemporaneously in North and South Dakota, Minnesota, Nebraska, and Oklahoma during the 1970s — and that the pattern had never fully ceased.20
The Skinwalker Ranch Connection
No discussion of cattle mutilations is complete without acknowledging Skinwalker Ranch, a 512-acre property in the Uinta Basin of northeastern Utah that has become the most intensively studied site of anomalous phenomena in the United States. Rancher Terry Sherman purchased the property in 1996 and almost immediately began losing cattle to mutilation. The mutilations coincided with a range of other reported phenomena: a wolf-like creature three times the size of a normal wolf that was impervious to rifle fire, a humanoid creature with piercing yellow eyes observed in a tree, unexplained lights, and poltergeist-like activity in the ranch house.3
The property was subsequently purchased by Robert Bigelow, a Las Vegas real estate developer and aerospace entrepreneur, who funded a private scientific investigation through the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS). NIDS investigators, including Colm Kelleher, conducted years of on-site research and published peer-reviewed papers on the anomalies observed. The property is now owned by Brandon Fugal and is the subject of the History Channel series The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch.
What makes Skinwalker Ranch relevant to the broader cattle mutilation discussion is that it represents the only site where the phenomenon has been subjected to sustained, instrumented, multi-disciplinary scientific investigation. The NIDS team found evidence consistent with the broader mutilation pattern — including scavenger avoidance of carcasses and anomalous tissue findings — but was unable to identify a cause. The ranch
has also produced UAP sightings, electromagnetic anomalies, and other phenomena that resist conventional explanation.
The South American Dimension
The United States is not the only country with a cattle mutilation problem. Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay have reported thousands of cases since the late 1990s, with a particularly intense wave around 2002 when approximately 400 cases were reported in a single year.1 The South American cases share the same reported characteristics as the North American ones: bloodless carcasses, precision removal of specific organs, absence of tracks and scavenger activity.
The South American cases are significant for several reasons. They occurred in a different cultural and political context, with different law enforcement and media environments, yet produced the same pattern of reports. They are harder to explain through the “media-driven narrative” hypothesis that the Rommel report implicitly relied upon — the South American ranchers were not reading the same newspapers as the Colorado ranchers of the 1970s. And they occurred in countries with no obvious connection to U.S. military programs, which complicates the covert government monitoring hypothesis.
The 1988 Brazil Human Case
In 1993, photographic evidence surfaced of a mutilated male human corpse found near the Guarapiranga reservoir in São Paulo, Brazil in 1988. The victim’s identity was kept private. The wounds were consistent with the pattern reported in cattle mutilations: removal of soft tissue from the face, eyes, and genitals, with what appeared to be clean incisions. An autopsy report concluded the wounds occurred while the victim was still alive, and the pain resulted in cardiac arrest. A subsequent independent investigation concluded the victim died from natural causes.1
This case is rarely discussed in mainstream coverage of cattle mutilations, but it is significant: if the same pattern of wounds that appears on cattle also appears on a human being, the “natural predation” explanation becomes considerably more difficult to sustain as a complete account.
What the Evidence Actually Supports
Laying out the evidence honestly, the following conclusions appear defensible:
The majority of reported cattle mutilation cases are consistent with natural death followed by predation and decomposition. The Rommel report’s core finding — that most reported
cases, examined in person by trained investigators, showed signs of natural processes — is probably correct for most cases.
A minority of cases contain physical evidence that is not easily explained by natural processes: the presence of anti-coagulants and sedatives in tissue samples, the fluorescent chemical marking of pre-selected animals, the radar chaff, the consistent helicopter sightings, the chemical anomalies in organ tissue, and the scavenger avoidance. These anomalies are documented in FBI files and in peer-reviewed scientific analysis.
The most credible investigators who worked the cases in the field — Gabe Valdez, Colm Kelleher — pointed toward human government activity as the most likely explanation for the anomalous cases, not extraterrestrial activity.
The disinformation layer — documented in the Bennewitz affair and the Mirage Men research — means that some of the evidence pointing toward alien involvement was deliberately manufactured by government agents. This does not mean the phenomenon is entirely explained by disinformation, but it does mean that the alien hypothesis has been actively promoted by parties with an interest in deflecting attention from classified programs.
The phenomenon has not stopped. Cases continue to be reported in the United States, South America, and elsewhere. They continue to produce the same pattern of characteristics. They continue to resist resolution.
How to Talk About This on the Podcast
The cattle mutilation topic is a perfect case study in the three-layer framework from your main prep document. It has a physical phenomenon layer (something is happening to cattle that produces a consistent pattern of characteristics), an information control layer (government investigations that were inconclusive, documented disinformation campaigns, classified programs that may have used cattle as unwitting test subjects), and a belief system layer (the alien narrative that has been layered on top of genuine uncertainty, partly through organic cultural processes and partly through deliberate manipulation).
The most intellectually honest and most compelling position is: “The majority of cases are natural.Aminorityaregenuinelyanomalous.Themostcredibleinvestigatorspointed
toward human government activity. And the alien narrative was actively promoted by people running documented disinformation programs. That combination — real anomalies,covert human activity, and deliberate myth-making — is actually more disturbing than the alien explanation.”
Keylinesfortheshow:
“Themostcredibleinvestigatorontheground—aNewMexicostatepoliceofficer named Gabe Valdez — spent three years working these cases and concluded: ‘This isn’t from outer space. Whoever is doing it is highly sophisticated, well-organized, and has a lot of resources.'”
“The guy who most popularized the alien explanation was being fed fabricated documents by an Air Force disinformation agent. That’s not a conspiracy theory — it’s a documented,admittedfact.”
“The organs removed in cattle mutilations are exactly the organs you would sample in a covert surveillance program for prion diseases. Tongue, lymph nodes, genitals, rectum
“The phenomenon has never stopped. There were cases in Oregon in 2019, Texas in 2023, Montana in 2025. Whatever is happening, it’s still happening.”
“The most disturbing version of this story isn’t aliens. It’s a government that was secretlytestingbiologicalweapons,secretlymonitoringdiseasespreadinthefood supply,andthenactivelypromotingthealienexplanationtopreventthepublicfrom askingtherightquestions.”
Timeline of Key Events
Year 1606
Event
Earliest documented livestock mutilation outbreak, London area, recorded in Court of James I
1967
Snippy/Lady horse case, Alamosa, Colorado — first modern media coverage with UFO speculation
1967
Project Gasbuggy underground nuclear detonation, 21 miles from Dulce, New Mexico
1968
6,000 sheep killed near Dugway Proving Ground, Utah; Army denies responsibility until 1998
1973
First major wave: Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa; 40 mutilations in seven Kansas counties by December
1974
Nebraska wave; first major helicopter sightings; Newsweek first national coverage
1975
Colorado named mutilations its top story; ATF investigation opened; CBI investigation opened
1975
Senator Haskell writes to FBI requesting investigation; FBI declines on jurisdictional grounds
1976
New Mexico State Police investigation begins under Gabe Valdez
1976
Valdez and Burgess find five Gomez ranch cattle pre-marked with UV-fluorescent chemical
1979
Operation Animal Mutilation begins under Kenneth Rommel; $44,170 federal grant
1979
Valdez reports anti-coagulants and sedatives found in mutilated bull tissue
1980
Rommel Report released: predominantly natural causes, some unexplained anomalies
1980
Linda Moulton Howe produces AStrange Harvest documentary
1981
Radar chaff found near mutilated cow on Gomez ranch, Dulce, New Mexico
1988
Human mutilation case, Guarapiranga reservoir, São Paulo, Brazil
1989
William Moore admits at MUFON conference to feeding Bennewitz false information
1996
Terry Sherman purchases Skinwalker Ranch; cattle mutilations begin immediately
2002
Approximately 400 cattle mutilation cases reported in South America in a single year
2010
Mirage Men published, documenting government disinformation campaign
2013
Mirage Men documentary released; Greg Valdez publishes Dulce Base
2019
Five purebred bulls mutilated at Silvies Valley Ranch, Harney County, Oregon; $25,000 reward
2023
Six cows mutilated across three Texas counties; 17,000 Facebook shares; international coverage
2024
Netflix Unsolved Mysteries episode on Oregon cattle mutilations
2025
Carbon County, Montana cattle mutilation case; Bozeman Daily Chronicle retrospective